Brakes
On 1.6 fit 1.8 front brakes (discs, pads and calliper mounts) as a minimum .. rears are also bigger but less important then fit better material (In UK Moss do Axxis Metalmasters .. or I believe Mintex now do 1.8 Mk1 as well.. most now go for EBC Greenstuff). Drilled discs are questionable since unless cast with this in mind they crack... slotted better. The FM Wilwood big brakes are big... need 15" min rims . there are others but they are more expensive and heavier .. see what you think first before the $1000 + duty bill. 15 lbs for the stock 1.6 system, 17 for the FM kit, and 24 for the Baer per side
drilled discs = crack prone; grooved discs are better
Rear caliper rebuild kits,
http://www.finishlineperformance.com The price is less than $40 –Mk2.5 16" wheel option are 10.6" front and 10.9" rear – just use brackets and discs for Mk1
Rear calipers handbrakes are starting to die of corrosion .. new they are 225 GBP each. Note in the winter the hand brake cables can freeze making it seem you have a duff caliper.
"A complete caliper seal kit - Part No. A15 019F2E, described as GAYE2646ZB Boot Kit RR Caliper, Cost £48.64 (Outrageous!) (This is for a 1.6 - don't know if 1.8 is same/similar) It includes all the rubber in and on the brake caliper - seals, boots, even bleed screw cap, and some red grease for both rear calipers. (Not hoses, obviously)." John Cookson
The Allen key you need to adjust the rear caliper manual adjusters is actually 4mm
UK 1.6 replacement;
Pads and discs were AP Lockheed and hence decent quality, no problems with fade or judder despite hard driving (as hard as possible with 114 bhp anyway!)
Rear Discs: £60.96 for the pair
Rear Pads: £29.07 for the set of four.
Front Discs: £77.50 for the pair
Front Pads: £27.31 for the set of four
'91 had 9.5" front and 9.1" rears
1.6 brand new calipers for £220 all in.(Mazda Bits, Newtownards, N.Ireland) also do recon calipers for £120 each on exchange
Braking comparisons
"Auto Express published the results of an in depth test of the breaking distances (from 40 mph) of 50 top selling cars in the UK, including the MX5 (Mk2 without ABS)
The 5 managed to achieve the stunning places of 47th out of 50 in the dry and 46th in the wet, being beaten by the likes of Skoda, Proton, Deawoo, as well as all the people carriers and off-roaders.
Main criticisms were lack of ABS and the feeling that the fronts were biting, way before the rears were working hard. Interestingly enough, it seems unlikely that it was a fault on the particular test car because they did a similar test last year with almost identical results.
The Audi TT Quattro, the overall winner, has a breaking distance of 16.25 metres, a Toyota Yaris at 16.92 metres, the 5's distance at 20.89 metres is bit worrying. The likes of Mondeo, Astra and even the Renault Espace can stop in under 18 metres, the 5 is a long way behind (or ahead as the case may be !)" Richard Foster
Upgraded pad material comments from US;
I'm running CARBOTECH Panthers on the front right now and CARBOTECH "F"s on the rear. They've got three two day events on them now and show hardly any wear. They are clean and act like Porsche brakes! I don't know of any dealer that handles them...gotta' go direct I believe.
I've got Carbotech "F's" on all corners and I like them. I think that they are a little better than the Porterfield R4S that I had before. No fade on track events.
I use Hawk HP Plus pads and I'm quite pleased with their performance. A set for *all four wheels* is available from Mazda Competition for about $105 or from Racing Beat for about $160. Check out their materials site at:
http://www.hawkbrake.com/material.htmI like the new Hawk HP Street pads. Decent price, Good grip, not too much dust, and I didn't get any fade last time I was on the track.
I have the Porterfield Carbon Metallics from DA- they work as advertised, little slippery when cold, especially when they were new. Pretty darn fade resistant, at least 2.5x better than stock,
The Porterfield Sport brake pads are a good to have item running at the track. But these pads need a little more time to break in then normal street pad. But unlike the hawk they do not have to be super hot to start working. Also they do not wear a deep grove into the rotors like hawks did in only one track session. And on the track they seem to work as well as the hawk pads, but they don't eat into the rotors like the hawks did.
I had a very good result from Pagid pads. I was able to pull over -1.0G during a brake test that was feature in a local magazine here in Thailand. Stock pads rarely go above -0.8G.
EBC pads
DP21002 = front 1.8 brake pads in 'Green stuff' .. this is the Kevlar based pads and is good for standard cars and light wieght high power cars (e.g. Caterham 7 at 750kg or less).. used in Ginetta G15 race series etc.
It has a good consistant feel that never faded with me .. but never really bit (unlike the Metalmasters .. but then they turned into bricks for road use afterwards) .. it should have bitten apparently when it got hot enough
(about 450C) ..fade quoted at 550C by which time it crumbles to nothing.. which is obviously where I got it .. 40miles track use quoted.. and I did 80 on the last track day... cost 47 GBP from local motor factor. Now modified with metallic matrix so should last better and be more like Metalmaster without the post track bricks
DP31002 = front 1.8 brake pads in 'Red stuff' .. this is semi-metallic (like the PBR/Axiss Metalmaster) material .. not road recommended .. for use in over 200hp cars only or heavy 1.5 ton road cars.. quoted fade temperature of 750C .. need warming up on first application ..need 3-400 miles of running in during which time they are a bit 'long' in the pedal... cost 59.95 GBP from local motor factor.
DP?1002 = front 1.8 brake pads in "Yellow stuff" ... not made yet .. 900C fade .. and wear out quickly if not used hard enough to get up to temperature. Unlikely to be needed by anyone except hard core track only
racers..
Brake pad reviews for 1.8 Mk1
1. stock Mazda .. fine .. made by Sumitomo
2. PBR/Axiss Metalmaster .. were Moss HP pads (now Mintex?), .. made in New Zealand
4. EBC red stuff all around.
Definitely needed warmed up which is disconcerting for the first couple of good brakes. Not significantly better on the track than the greens, wore out and squealed about the same – stick with the greens for the lack of warm up.
5. Now on FM big brakes on front
You really only notice this above 70-80 mph, then they pull speed down far more competently; at 100 mph plus they really work. Also did notice the ability to stop very quickly at car park speeds once – in supermarket at walking speeds it almost seemed as if the rear wheels were off the deck from the severe rocking motion I managed.
.. and stopping distances by someone else .. in US .. from 60 mph .. stock = 184ft, Moss brakes/discs etc = 182 ft .. and Willwood Big Brakes = 160 ft .. which goes to prove they are worth it ....
ABS
This is only 3 channel on all cars so far (2000) .. 4 channel is better as the back wheels can then be on different surfaces and you still get braking .. with 3 channels you lose the rear brakes if you brake with one side of the car on gravel/grass verge…
Frank Devocht has retro fitted ABS from a 1.8 into a 1.6 while doing the rear diff upgrade ..see non UK/US owners sites.
A tweak for standard brakes is to fit the ABS pressure control valve (PCV). This put the bias further to the rear as the fronts lockup easier with harder springs/pads. Mazda want $385 for a new one!
Wheels for Big Brakes
The FM big brakes will fit with a number of 15" wheels. Most are 15x7, various manufacturers. I believe just about every Borbet wheel fits, for example, also Rota Circuit 8's. 15x6.5, 11.5 lbs each, 38mm offset
15x7 panasports do *not* fit
Big brakes kit
Buy from Flying Miata, Willwood’s Billet Dynalite caliper that you can buy for $98 each - here are the pads;
http://www.wilwood.com/products/brake_pads/polymatrix.html15 lbs for the stock 1.6 system, 17 for the FM kit, and 24 for the Baer. FM Rotors 11" Brembo
The rotors are 11" vented Brembo rotors with slotting by powerslot.
AP has done cars in UK (Alister Wattie at circa £2k)
AP kits in Aussie land $1700 but with 8mm offsets for 15" rims
FM kit for ~$1k
http://www.RoadsterPerformance.com ~ half of that $1700 price for 11" Brembos with Dynalite II calipers.
Brake Fluid.
Change it every year … 2 years max as it absorbs water to corrode system and boil leading to no brakes and big bills.
Grade New BP Wet Boiling Point (min levels)
Dot 3 240C 150C
Dot 4 265C 165C
Dot 5.1 272C 184C
ATE 280C 200C (Ate Super Blue Racing/Type 200 (this is not a synthetic brake fluid))
1.8 Upgrade from 1.6
"I received a request for brake upgrade info from a list member. Here is the information for those of you who would like to economically upgrade their '90-'93 brakes to the '94+ brake system. These are costs from Mazda Competition (so not UK use…). If you are not a member, go out and get two time slips at an Autocross or drag strip and submit them - the cost is considerably lower compared to the dealer and you do not have to search salvage yards....
All of the following are 94+ parts:
Front rotors - $45 each (compare to $54 each at dealer)
Rear rotors - $33.65 each (compare to $94 each at dealer)
Rear caliper brackets - $47.30 each (compare to $80 each at the dealer)
Front caliper brackets - I didn't ask because I got stupid and paid $125 for
the pair from a dealer a year ago. I *estimate* $40 each from Mazda Comp.
Hawk HP+ brake pads - $44.25/front and $44.25 rear. Compare to $140 at Moss
Motors and $129 at Racing Beat.
You will need two sets of rear brake hardware (springs and clips) at a cost of $7 per side (Pep Boys, I forgot to order them from Mazda Comp). The brake hardware for the rear calipers is NOT interchangeable between pre and post '94 models. The front brake hardware IS interchangeable between pre and post '94 models .
Front dust shields will have to be bent back to clear the larger disk (10" vs 9.3"). Rear dust shields will need to have four slots cut into them with a hacksaw (about 3 minutes per side; very easy to cut) to allow the stamped steel to be bent back to clear the larger disks (about 1/2" larger in diameter).
The *area* of the rear *pads* appears to be almost identical between the pre and post-94 models - the '94 plus pads are curved, however, so they sweep a larger area of the disc (inner to outer edge). The larger rear disc acts as a better heat sink compared to the pre-94 disc. The front pads, however, are a whole new ball of wax - the area of the 94+ pads is considerably greater than the pre-94 pads.
For pad dimensions, see:
Upgrade to ’01 sport brakes
You can get the part numbers here:
http://www.miataforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001609 And my descriptions, tips, etc. here: http://www.miataforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002797 I got mine from www.finishlineperformance.com and Tommy was great to deal with. Paid approx. $700 for front and $280 for rear w/ free shipping, but check his site for current prices. Fronts include calipers, rears don't. Also, as mentioned in the first link with the part numbers (about a third of the way down the page), you may save money through Mazda Comp. But you definitely won't save money through any dealer -- I tried local w/ 20% discount, plus Trussville (Roebuck) and Mazda South to no avail. I went with these because I could do all my brakes for less than just the fronts with aftermarket stuff and because the Panasports don't fit the FM upgrade. Turns out they don't fit the '01 fronts either, but that is another story... I'm so happy with the performance! Nicely balanced set and easy to modulate. Fred Hubert
Nice article on the market for replacement brakes;
http://www.autoparts-online.co.uk/marketing/brakes.htmProportional Control valve to Rears;
"I have taken the prop. valve out of my car and the fronts still lock up first, so the rears are still not doing their share of the work. So, taking that a step farther, when we put on bigger brakes in front, the rears do even less work and the fronts can still fade to soon" Brant Bauman ..
NB the ABS proportional valve has a higher rate for the rear brakes and has been used with success in putting more load on the rear wheels.
"ABS valve verus non-ABS valve.
'92 US Mazda workshop manual shows only 1 set of valve specs
A 427psi A' 427 +/-28 psi B 995psi B' 597 +/-43 psi.
'95 US workshop manual shows 2
Non-ABS A 427psi A' 427 +/-43 psi B 850psi B' 597 +/-57psi.
ABS A 569psi A' 569 +/-43 psi B 850psi B' 683+/-57 psi.
’00 UK Mazda supplement gave just 1 set of specs.
A 569psi A' 569 +/-43 psi B 850psi B' 683 +/-57 psi.
The 2 valves (my '92 and 2000 ABS) are essentially the same as far as ports go, lines just plug in, but are very different in detail. you couldn't mistake them. " Steve Willington
I have tried this replacement and it does give more dusting to the rear brakes .. but I think you need more .. not had the time/neck to gut my old one and try it straight through.