Car radio
My opinion – Sony have nice ergonomics but poor sound, Alpine is only mainstream producer worth listening to, Becker of Germany are standard on Porsche and hi-line Mercs, also very good, same as Alpine but a plainer display – removable part was fiddly so I went with Alpine. Just IMHO.
Cheap source of audio equipment;
http://www.caraudio.demon.co.uk/index.htme.g. KDC-6060R - Halfords 260 (not sure), this place 174.99
CAR AUDIO DESIGN, Croydon House, 1 Peall Road, Croydon Surrey, CRO 3EX
www.caraudiodirect.com http://www.incarexpress.co.uk/ www.bluespot.co.uk - Blaupunkt at discounts www.clarionworld.co.uk – Clarion at discountsConnectors
Filler panels
(Info from
www.miata.net/garage/audio.html except 1/ which is UK info)
Standard wiring;
Two terminals;
[M][K][ ][ ][E][C][A]
[N][L][J][H][F][D][B]
M - door right +ve
N - door right -ve
K - door left +ve
L - door left -ve
A - Ignition switched 12V
C - Permanent 12V
E - 12V from dash lights - dim lights on stereo when the dash lights are on
D - power antenna - outputs 12V when radio is used to raise it
J,H,F,B - unused
Ground or 0V by earth lead
Other smaller plug is head rest speakers only - ignore if not fitted;
[P][ ][ ][Q][R]
[S][T][U][V][W]
P,Q,S,V - not used
T - Left head rest +ve
U - Right head rest -ve
R - Left head rest -ve
W - Right head rest -ve
Options on Roadsters
Speed of Sound
Available from Performance Buyer’s Club (PBC) in US.
Ties into factory 1.5 DIN radios to vary volume relative to speed and has three modes, roof up, roof down, off.
Frequency convertors
Most Eunos cars with factory stereo have the dongle option fitted by the importer and the FM frequencies do not cover the full UK range, nor do they reflect the correct frequency on the display. There are two ranges available giving Radio 2 to 4 OR Radio 4 to Classic FM. New versions have a manual switch which toggles between the two ranges. Old version can be fitted by the battery in the boot in 10 minutes, newer dual range ones depend how accessible you want the switch to be. Japan range is 76 to 90; a range of 16 while UK runs from 88-108 so needs a range of 18; hence the need for a switch or two types of dongle.
http://indigo.ie/~menzikov/digicombandexpander.htm in Ireland 23.99IRP + PostageExchange and Mart or similar stock them.
Double DIN radio/cassette/CDs
(taking up the whole radio hole);
Sony WX-C570R 499GBP list but 430 odd at top contact,
I have physically tried the surrounding panel on this radio and there would be a 3 mm gap or so to fill but black rubber cable would do this easily. Fitted to Toyota Avensis in non RDS form (later cars have RDS).
Longmill JCX777DD 340+VAT GBP from Demon Tweaks
Mk 2 Speakers
The Mk2 has bigger speaker holes (8") Hole in door - 8"; Euro cars have an adaptor to which the speaker size is 5x7
MB Quart Qm200.03 combination fits (8" speaker hole) with some grinding
MB Quart 218.30's, 6.5 inch component speakers with seperate tweeter and crossover box. "I've put these in my MkII 1.8iS. The 6.5 inch drivers will fit in the MX-5 door on a MkII with the aid of an adapter ring ( I made my mine by cutting out rings from a sheet of 6mm plywood), or they might just fit straight in the hole of a MkI door I believe. On a MkII the tweeter mount is already in place on a MkI, you may require a site to site" Mark Salter
Mk 1 Speakers
Mk1 has following dimensions; (door trim off a '94 1.8 Eunos; this cars has a bottom main speaker and a tweeter in the door trim top as standard but should be representative of a UK 1.8iS (I think?));
Bottom main speaker;
Hole in steel work of the door = 140 mm
Maximum diameter flat around this hole = 162 mm
Maximum depth allowed until you hit door skin = 131 mm (no windows to foul in these cars)
Maximum height from the flat = 15 mm (= speaker surround - my fitted JBL GTO603 was 18 mm in this dimension and while causing a slight bump was not real problem - the door trim still fitted)
Maximum hole in hard-board trim of door = 106 mm
Maximum hole in fancy door surround = 131 mm (as 1.8iS in aluminium)
Electrical interface could be made with two standard 4mm wide flat terminals with no wiring cutting.
Door trim top tweeter;
External visible diameter = 60 mm
Minimum visible height = 12 approximately
Hole in door trim to mount = 48 x 48 square hole
Rated for 25W at 4 Ohms
My comment on the main speakers would be that the standard door trims are very robust but have 40% steel coverage with a small 4" hole in the hardboard. I removed the Mazda grilles and sandwiched the metal grills of my JBL’s between my aluminium speaker surround and the door to allow more air movement (more mesh; less like punched steel plate) and increase the hole to the 131mm of the surround to allow more area. The current design seems to restrict air movement so that any more than a 100 mm moving cone is wasted - and in fact will just start trying to move the door trim panels and so contributes to the whole thing rattling and not producing a clear noise
JBL GTO603 3 way speakers (55 GBP) - will fit doors with a bit of a grind to the outer speaker rim to clear the securing screws (reuse originals to hold adapter ring). Best sound for the money.
Pioneer TS-E1790 17cm, 3-way and 180 watts - you'll need to drill one hole in the rim of each speaker and use other holes available. Good for power/watts bragging rights!
Pioneer TS-E2090. This speaker is a 3-way speaker with a 20 cm (8") diaphragm, the pair of 2090 is effectively a pair of 8" subs. 17cm for doors;
http://www.pioneer-eur.com/products/car/ts-26en.htmMission CA 6.1/2 LS fit well .. drill 2 extra holes in speaker surround to match factory and then seal the gap to body with foam sticky tape. Nice sound at circa 200 GBP (I got my secondhand) but the one cone shredded itself after the car stood outside for 4 days in really damp conditions (as only the West coast of Scotland does…)
Dynaudio 6.5" separates with the tweeter mounted on the door top in the stock position for some Roadsters. Expensive at 400 GBP but the sound quality makes your spine tingle .. if you have the right head unit and amp to drive them.. could do with some bass adaptation elsewhere as they still do not drive low frequency ..needs an enclosure to do that.
Clearwater .. from Moss/PBC etc do custom speakers at Dynaudio/Mission prices .. can the USA make sound from speakers?
Headrest speakers
www.robpickering.co.uk shows Sony 10cm speakers fitted http://www.wenet.net/~jaimev/M-hrspeakers/index.html is Head rest speakers installFrom Halfords special order book you can get 8 cm round Sony speakers 50 Watts which are replacements for a Fiat Punto. Naturally being smaller these require less foam removal from the headrest.
"JBL GTO402s e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y installed (much cutting of headrest metal plate/sponge/plastic speaker cover); would probably have been better to go for something smaller...GTO302s maybe.... For reference - the JBLs have 75mm magnets, a mounting depth of 48mm *AND* a tweeter which sits slightly "proud" of the woofer itself. The bottom line is that if you were to just shove them in and zip it all back up you'd end up with speakers held tightly in place but with serious risk of damage to the tweeter.
In the end I cut:
* crescents out of the centrally located metal plate that runs up the back of each seat (as little metal as possible was removed!);
* foam from the back of the headrest (to allow the magnet/speaker to sit as far back as necessary to avoid pressure on the tweeter);
* foam from the front face of the headrest to allow the speaker surround to fit in a recess;
* the plastic in the headrest "shell" also!
I wasn''t delirious about cutting the metal plate but tweeter damage was inevitable otherwise.
See:
Today I picked up JBL GTO302s from Halfords. They are a drop-in replacement for the Golf MkII "mule" car.
In addition to being 3.5" (instead of 4) these speakers have significantly smaller (though still impressive!) magnets and crucially...a shallower mounting depth AND a "collar" which protects the otherwise protruding tweeter. Does the Sony tweeter protrude i.e. do you have to be careful not to hold the speaker in place by the tweeter? All in all, fitting pairs of these 302s into the headrests would've been MUCH easier than the GTO402s - esp. no chopping of the plastic cover (which would've sat against the collar, at worst.) Halfords currently has these priced (incorrectly I feel) at £34.99 " Chris Hayes
Subs/rear speakers
Prestige (0181 868 3300) my local JL dealer quoted 810 GBP for sub.
http://www.spiceisle.com/audiodiy/projects/cartf/ more on speaker performance really http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=43457&a=291406 Martyn Brearley, 6.5" pair of kicker rear speakers http://www.mx-5.de/html/soundboard_fur_den_na.html rear parcel shelf dimensions http://www.jlaudio.com/stealthbox/miata.html JL Audio stealth box - a bit pricy but sounds great.. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4991/sound2.html
..tried the MB Quart subs…didn't like them too much, although I'm a big fan of MB Quart... I even made polyester enclosures around them trying to make them sound better. Took me a week...finally threw them out ,, and used some cheapo 8" Legacy free air woofers instead. MUCH better although they only cost about £30-35 piece IIRC. IIRC I used the TC210 or something…
Amplifiers
Pioneer GM -X402 amp - quotes 70W max, 35W nominal - old model that fits behind the passenger seat in the tunnel behind the fuel filler pipes, also fitted Genesis 100 here .. with the Pioneer above it upside down.
MP3 player
And then there is Hugo Fiennes MP3 player;
http://utter.chaos.org.uk/~altman/mp3mobileCar tax disc aerials for car phones.
If you hit the site at the top level and look in the "cellular accessories" section there's some more info. They are about 40 quid.
http://www.demon.co.uk/buss-srv/jmcomms/access/taxdisc.jpgElectrical Ariel replacement mast
This is the centre core only and fits Mk1&2; Mazda part number N00766A3X
CD holder for Mk2
Holds 4 cds in a single DIN slot;
http://www.seriousauto.com/cdcaddy.htmlSpeaker resistance matching and head rest speakers;
"First off, why do we need to balance the speaker impedance to the drive capability of the stereo? Several reasons, but the main one is to provide the best tradeoff between power transfer to the speaker while preventing the output stage from saturating. The output stage of the stereo is a transistor drive which modulates the voltage across the speaker according to the sound required. This voltage drives a current through the speaker coil, creating a magnetic field which moves the speaker cone forward and back, producing the air movement that we perceive as sound. There are limits to both the amount of current and the peak voltage that the transistors can supply, which can be derived from the peak power (not the rms power) of the stereo, since power is the product of current and voltage, while Ohm's Law tells us that voltage is the product of power and impedance. Thus power can be derived from either the square of the drive voltage DIVIDED by the impedance, or the square of the drive current MULTIPLIED by the impedance - both are equivalent calculations.
Most car units will drive a maximum 14V (derived from the car battery) across the speakers. With 8Ohm speakers this means that the maximum peak power on each channel is 14x14/8 = 24.5W. That is why most car systems use 4Ohm speakers as standard, as opposed to the 8Ohms in domestic systems. With 4Ohm speakers the maximum peak power on each channel is 14x14/4 = 49W. To provide higher peak power drive, the stereo must contain additional circuits to increase the drive voltage above the supply level available from the battery. (Editor … hence external amplifiers are 50% voltage pump systems by volume .. they drive the voltages up to about 40W to allow 400W outputs)
This is a gross oversimplification of course, because the movement of the speaker coil in the magnetic field generates a reverse voltage (called back EMF) which has the effect of causing the apparent impedance of the speaker to be much higher than it is rated.
In either case however, if the power output of the stereo reaches its limits severe audio distortion will occur. Saturation can occur in several ways, including the drive voltage reaching its limits, the drive current reaching its limits or the speaker coil movement limiting as it nears the edges of the magnetic field. If the impedance presented to the stereo is matched with the design of the unit then the voltage and current saturation should occur at roughly the same point in the power curve. If too low a speaker impedance is used, the current output capacity of the stereo will limit well before the voltage reaches its maximum and vice versa if too high a speaker impedance is used. So, if the wrong impedance is presented to the stereo then the output will severely distort long before the speaker or the stereo maximum capacity is reached.
On the stock radio there are/should be two independent drives, nominally front and rear. The front drives are connected to the two 4 Ohm door speakers (left and right channels), as below:
Front Speakers
RADIO FRONT OUTPUT SPEAKERS
L+________________________________L+ _/|
L-________________________________L- |_ |4Ohm Left Door
\|
R+________________________________R+ _/|
R-________________________________R- |_ |4Ohm Right Door
\|
On the headrest speakers things are a little different, because there are two speakers connected to each channel of the rear drive, one left- right pair for the passenger seat and another pair for the driver seat. These can be wired differently, but as I understand it are normally connected in parallel (so that unplugging one seat doesn't cut the sound to the other seat) as below. The parallel wiring to the 4 separate outputs is normally done in the terminal block itself, which plugs into the rear of the radio, so it might *appear* that there are 4 independent drive connections, even though there are really only 2.
Headrest Speakers
RADIO REAR TERMINAL BLOCK
OUTPUT ADAPTER SPEAKERS
L+__________________,_____________L+ _/|
L-________________,_|_____________L- |_ |8Ohm Left Passenger
| | \|
| |
| |_____________L+ _/|
|_______________L- |_ |8Ohm Left Driver
\|
R+__________________,_____________R+ _/|
R-________________,_|_____________R- |_ |8Ohm Right Passenger
| | \|
| |
| |_____________R+ _/|
|_______________R- |_ |8Ohm Right Driver
\|
This wiring presents the correct 4Ohm load on each channel of the stereo, since impedance in parallel divides by the number of units. However only 1/2 of the power output available on the door speakers appears on each of the headrest speakers, since the current is split equally between the two speakers. This results in approximately half the volume level for equivalent efficiency speakers. Since your ears are so much closer to the headrests than the door speakers this should be well within control of the front/rear balance adjustment on the stereo. However, where this balance adjust normally sits depends heavily on the relative efficiency of the door and headrest speakers. A general rule of thumb is that better quality speakers (ie. Lower audio distortion at equal sound pressure) have lower efficiency and therefore require more drive.
The 'cowboy' solution to this is to replace the headrest speakers with 4Ohm units, presenting a 2Ohm output load to the stereo. While this provides a louder output from each of the headrest speakers, the lower impedance seen by the stereo means that the final drive transistors are working twice as hard to drive them. This can cause distortion, severe at high volumes, as the output current saturates and can even damage the stereo by burning out the final drive stage through overheating as the average current through each transistor doubles.
The correct solution (but more expensive and thus not fitted as standard) is to do exactly what you have done - drive each speaker from an independent amplifier. That way each speaker presents the correct load to the drive and all of the driven power reaches each speaker. This is also a much better way of driving 4 independent speakers in any case because putting two speakers on the same drive is never ideal. Manufacturing tolerances mean that the resonant frequency of each speaker is slightly different so the balance of back EMF between speakers will change with frequency. Consequently the distribution of current between each speaker is not even across the audio spectrum and this causes distortion as well. I would guess that this was the cause of your initial dissatisfaction with the shared 4Ohm drive, rather than the severe distortion referred to above.
The bottom line is that the correct solution to driving the headrest speakers and one that is far superior, both in practice and theory, to the shared drive the stock systems are wired up for - whether used with 4Ohm, 8Ohm or any other speaker impedance." Kennedy rkm@nospam.demon.co.uk
More power output?
"Most head units quote their power as peak to peak power, which is an instantaneous measurement rather than RMS (root mean squared) which is an average and is therefore rather more meaningful, as it reflects the requirements the amp itself puts on its power supply.
OK, some simple ohms law type stuff
1) Power = Voltage * Current = VI
2) Current (neglecting the fact that a speaker is an inductive, rather than resistive load, and so avoiding the complicated calculus bits) = Voltage divided by resistance = V/R
3) Combine the two and you get P = Vsquared/R.
OK For one channel, R = 4ohms, and V is 12V. (OK, now you see why car applications use 4ohms= gives a higher power drive for the same input voltage)
So we have 144/4 = 36WRMS. Now bearing in mind amps are 80-90% efficient, and actually the load the amp sees from the speaker is higher than 4ohms at 2KHz and above(where most music power is), then you can see why most head units are limited to similar numbers on 40W peak. There is a hard limit imposed by the voltage supplied by the battery. Also these internal amps, in order for them to be small, have poorer output impedance characteristics and linearity translated means poorer sound quality. Its possible to use a device called a DC-DC converter, which can create an output voltage greater than the input (= more power), switching a power MOSFET transistor across and inductor at high frequency but these are bulky and expensive by comparison, and could never fit inside a head unit.
In simple terms, if our cars had 250V AC on tap it would be dead easy to generate a high enough voltage for a meaty power amp." Chris Coleman
Mount tweeter directionally "... the higher the frequency, the more the beaming effect of the sound wave. With top down, there's nothing to reflect it to your ear.." Ric Allan